Nick was in town a few weeks ago and joined me to talk about his new book (which is the title of this post) as well as many, many other subjects. The book deals with government files on many famous people and makes the point that what we are not allowed to see tells us a great deal about what is publicly released.
I sort of apologize for the fact that we were both drinking beer during the show. This is probably the only interview you will ever hear where Nick is occasionally possessed by a chicken. Really.
The subject of weirdos at UFO conventions came up, as well as occult issues, the illusion of time, a strange missing person story with little-known contactees and a lot of other things that we have never mentioned on his other appearances on the show.
For our second conversation, RPJ and I continued with our faint condemnation of large UFO groups, and the pros and cons of abduction research. I bought up the seeming rise of fundamentalist skeptics in sheep’s clothing as popular UFO study slumbers through a fallow period, and we discussed the possible reasons that a strain of self-righteous skepticism has attracted hipster culture. RPJ asked me about meeting Jacques Vallee and John Keel and we discussed our favorite whiskies and bourbon. We got back on track with cultural differences in humanoid sightings and the strange Voronezh UFO occupant case. Much more to like in this segment. RPJ will be on again without a doubt.
The translation of the lyrics to the Cafe Tacuba song “Zopilotes,” played at the end of the show is in RPJ’s article here.
The man known as “Red Pill Junkie” has long been a mystery to me. He started commenting on the old UFOMystic site a few years ago with thought-provoking ideas and always seemed to move the discussion to a new level or make us aware of developments that were little-known at the time. Eventually, he caught the attention of bloggers and luminaries such as Micah Hanks and became a columnist and blogger in his own right.
The conversation was like talking to someone I had known for years, especially since we seemed to have been influenced by many of the same people and ideas. The talk veered from concepts of God to how legitimate the practice of channeling might be to the use of the Chupacabra mystery as a coverup for political corruption in Mexico.
As requested by RPJ, the show opens with part of a song called “El Aparato” by Cafe Tacuba, which is about a UFO abduction.
Here’s one of those “alternating with weird music” interludes advertised at the top of the page. Gorightly suggested that I post this because he liked (most of) the music. Weirdness included a DEVO hit played on an old push-button phone, another space monkey song, and a little Tenesee Ernie Ford for my dad’s birthday. Listener Steph called in to talk about poltergeists and the history of our interest in the paranormal.
Kenn Thomas, author of landmark books such as The Octopus and JFK and UFO, joined me last week to announce his retirement from the JFK assassination research community. He’s made his contribution, he says, and awaits others to continue in his footsteps.
We talked about the basics of the the assassination and why it still matters. Kenn brought up a few new issues that appeared in advance of the 50th anniversary of the event, such as a NOVA special that supports the single-bullet theory. He also went into some detail about his research into the shadowy figure of Fred Crisman and his possible involvement, as outlined in JFK and UFO.
We went on to talk about the burnout factor in conspiracy and paranormal research, and a few people who we think are carrying on some of these traditions of questioning the status quo. I’ve known Kenn for over 15 years, so of course I had no list of questions or topics. We mostly just talked.
Albert Rosales is someone I didn’t know I wanted to interview until Tim Binnall stated the obvious: Why not just ask him?
Albert and I talked about his own history of strange encounters, which led him to create his incredible site called Humanoid Sighting Reports & Journal of Humanoid Studies. It is an unparalleled repository of reports and accounts of human and not-so-human entities reported over the centuries from all over the world. The accounts range from the expected “greys” to such high strangeness as amorphous sparkling blobs.
To his credit, when faced with the breadth and number of the reports, Albert says that the “aliens from other planets” explanation does not work for most accounts. Those who think that the strangeness of “aliens” ends with bald-headed creatures buggering us in the night have much fun and learning awaiting them. The humanoids may not have wanted us to talk about them, as there were a few phone problems.
Thanks to Tim Brigham for the show title suggestion.
Tim Binnall joined me again last week to talk about his recent guests on Binnall Of America, how we conduct interviews, and to announce that I had officially won the 2013 BoA baseball pool, among many other subjects. We also find out that his one of his guests had a novel explanation for the Amelia Earhart disappearance.
Fortean and all-around expert writer Skylaire Alfvegren and psychology professor Tim Brigham joined me for a rambling discussion about subjects ranging from the psychological makeup of UFO witnesses to the reasons for Nick Redfern’s work ethic to contactee airplane pilots. Much more contained in this extremely concentrated episode. Tim requested the song at the end of the program. Enjoy!
Owls figure prominently in abduction accounts and literature, and Mike Clelland has become the point man for this aspect of the phenomenon. Mike is a very talented illustrator (most notably for Mac Tonnies’ Cryptoterrestrials.) He is willing to entertain almost any theory for why strange experiences seem to happen to him and many others.
We may have provided ourselves a template for whatever is causing the abduction mystery, and Mike and I discuss this possibility and many others during the program. We also talked in depth about Mike’s personal experiences as well as unique synchronicities, which may be clues to glimpses of another level of reality above or next to or coexistent with ours. While I remain unconvinced that the majority of “abductions” are happening as reported, I am reasonably certain that we have been involved for millenia in some sort of interaction with an intelligence that is not us.
Paul and I have been friends since 2006. In that time, we have agreed on many things, disagreed on others, and not taken any of it too seriously. I have also seen Paul go from a fairly hard-line stance on the paranormal to something closer to a true skeptic – that is keeping an open-ended mindset on each case or subject, and not being afraid to declare something unproven, rather than simply true or false. However, he is still not afraid express his opinions on many subjects in our wide-ranging conversation.
On this evening, we went from a discussion of religion to the merits of a life lived by one’s wits to the disclosure movement, and finally the sequence of events that led to researcher Phil Imbrogno’s embarrassment out of the paranormal field.
There is a huge mythology surrounding the so-called Dulce underground base in northwestern New Mexico. Most if not all of the stories surrounding this subject were started as disinfo from government sources. My guest Greg Valdez was on the front lines for most of the time that these rumors were being manufactured. He accompanied and later assisted his father, the late New Mexico State Police Officer Gabe Valdez at the dawn of the cattle mutilation mystery that gripped the area surrounding the town of Dulce and the Jicarilla Apache reservation on which it lies.
On this program, we started with a short history of the weird happenings in the area, which along with the unexplained animal deaths included almost nightly sightings of strange lights in the sky. The revelations about some of these lights and Greg’s adventures and conversations with his father directly answers the tales of alien bases and cow-napping. The truth of the matter is most likely far more earthly and far more sinister than any UFO true-believer would want to admit. The history of atomic and biological weapons testing and possible black-budget aircraft play a major role.
I was truly amazed more than once over the course of this interview. The research in Greg Valdez’ book Dulce Base and the revelations it contains will rewrite the history of this chapter in UFO lore, for those who care to read with an open and critical mind.
The book will be released in 2-3 weeks There will be a link to it and the associated website posted here.
Chris has a new book in the works and it may be his best to date. He is probably one of the best known and respected “cattle mutilation” researchers in the world, and his next book (entitled Stalking The Herd) will be an examination and analysis of his discoveries over two decades in the field of anomalous animal deaths and associated strangeness.
He attended all of the recent UFO Disclosure hearings in the Washington, D.C. and has a report with both praise and critique for what transpired. We also talked brought up the “what’s wrong with UFO study” subject and pointed out some hopeful directions that it could be headed and perhaps already is. We had a lengthy discussion about the sometimes uneasy symbolic and real relationship between humans and cows and the implications in light of the mutilation phenomenon. As many have suspected for years, the mutilations may not be the result of one factor, and the alien/ UFO explanation is probably the least likely. We also talked about Chris’ interest in Ray Stanford’s films and videos and his contention that it is probably the best UFO documentation he has seen.
Lots more in the episode, with a few surprises thrown in. Interview recorded on June 30, 2013.
Historically, the subject of the Flying Saucer Contactees has been anathema to “serious” UFO research groups, and this is one of the reasons why we discuss it regularly on this program. A.J. Gulyas has just written a scholarly historical treatment of this underrated movement (entitled Extraterrestrials and the American Zeitgeist) and we dissected it on June 9th. Aaron is a history professor at Mott Community College in Flint, Michigan
Aaron says, ultimately, that the question of the Contactees boils down to this: “Why did they decide that making up easily disprovable stories about space brothers was the best way to get their political ideas out to the people?” This may surprise (and even disturb) some, but we both agree that at least some of the contactees may have actually had some sort of paranormal experiences.
We also went into a lengthy comparison of John Keel’s Mothman Prophecies as compared to Gray Barker’s The Silver Bridge and decided that Barker’s book is ultimately the hipper, cooler version of the Mothman story. We also talked about the strange book Trance Formation of America and its weird, hilarious and disturbing tales of personal abuse and intrigue by elements of the U.S. power structure. There was also a segment where we tried to top each other with vintage Contactee books that we have in our collections.
This was just the sort of rambling conversation that I always love and I hope you do too.
Last Sunday, Mr. Fab from the excellent Music For Maniacs blog brought along some more gems from the strange and wonderful world of outsider sounds. The wonderfulness began with a piece which incorporated audio from early UFO “abductee” Herbert Schirmer. We followed with such nuggets as a five-year old singing about why “You Make Me So Crazy,” a refreshing ripoff of “In A Gadda Da Vida/ Wild Thing” by a Bollywood singer, and a song about sex with hamsters. Of course William Shatner makes an appearance covering “Silver Machine,”a 1967 composition by the Brit hippie band Hawkwind.
A complete list of tracks can be seen at Mr Fab’s site.
Walter Bosley’s new book is called Empire Of The Wheel Part II: Friends From Sonora. It is the second in a trilogy of non-fiction books examining little-known intrigue surrounding an unsolved murder of a mysterious woman which happened almost a century ago in Southern California.
Walter discussed his research and revelations about the identity of the woman and her possible connections to the airship mystery of the late 19th century, German immigrants who may have been operating flying machines in the US before the Civil War, and two of the most famous outlaws of the old wild west.
Some of you may remember Walter’s background includes stints as in the FBI and the Air Force Office of Special Investigations. In the last part of the show, we looked at Sgt. Richard Doty’s Air Force record (sent to me recently by researcher Alejandro Rojas) and discussed the implications of this legally released material.
Tim Cridland is known to most of the world as “Zamora The Torture King.” There is plenty available online about his carnival acts of flesh piercing, sword swallowing, fire eating and laying on beds of nails.
What many people are not aware of is that Tim is a scholar of the strange and has been ever since he published the landmark independent magazine Off The Deep End in the late 1980s and early ’90s. I was a big fan of the publication, which featured such adventures as an interview titled “Walking The Dog With Phil Klass.” Tim and I discussed this during the over 2 hours that he stopped by my house yesterday. The new digital recorder was there to pick it all up.
We also talked about Tim’s theory that Klass may have been the hoaxer of the MJ-12 documents, manifested thoughtforms, magicians who experience actual magic effects, the fundamentalist skeptic mindset, and Tim’s research into Alan Le Baron, a self-taught archaeologist who in the early 1920s claimed that the deserts of Nevada were the cradle of humankind.
On April 14th, longtime paranormal researcher Brent Raynes joined me for a very fun and synchronistic couple of hours. I could have sworn that he looked up info on me beforehand as he mentioned my middle name and birthday seemingly out of nowhere in the course of talking about his investigations. Very strange.
We talked about his long-running magazine, Alternate Perceptions, his association with researcher Dr. Greg Little, the importance of truly strange UFO cases, and experiments and adventures with the spirit box. We ended with an discussion of Peruvian whistling vessels, which are claimed to put listeners in altered states.
Thanks for all of your patience while life and problems with those interwebs have conspired to keep us apart.
Radio Misterioso friend Jerry Modjeski, who is poised to release a new album of UFO- and contactee- themed music by an outsider musician sent along a link to this amazing film, which features a flying saucer, alien voices coming from a glowing dome, cheap but wonderful special effects and other profundities. (Turn on English captions with “cc” button.)
More archived shows coming soon. Sorry about the delay.
Tim is a Doctor of Cognitive Experimental Psychology and is a laboratory parapsychology researcher. He is also the past associate editor of Saucer Smear. These were the main topics on this program, which aired live on January 20th. Tim met Smear publisher Jim Moseley when he was an impressionable teenager. It was essentially out of this friendship that he became involved with the intrigue of the longest-running UFO periodical in the world.
Jim Moseley was a friend and an inspiration to me as well and Tim recalled him fondly with such stories as Moseley pissing off abductee Linda Napolitano/ Cortile, and the time that researcher Budd Hopkins gave him and Brigham the finger at a UFO convention. We talked a bit about Jim’s personality and his attitudes towards some of the famous people in the UFO field.
We then segued into a segment about Tim’s parapsychological interests and experiments that he is planning with Michael Persinger’s so-called “God Helmet” which as been shown to produce quasi-religious experiences on demand. We also went into a discussion of how UFO sightings might be affected by our preconceptions from pop culture and even earlier reports, which led to an extended segment on the Hill abduction case and details that have been forgotten, such as Barney Hill’s first description of his abductor as a “red haired Irishman” wearing a Nazi uniform.
Image – Jim Moseley from Tim Brigham’s site mojomachine
This show started off as a music and call-in show, but when I called Nick Redfern, it took off. We started right in about problems with UFO studies, people who we think are doing good work, and then launched into a discussion of government secrets and how Nick does his research. A discussion of Charles Fort’s personal life followed and then quite a bit more about the nature of UFO study and how it might be improved.
In a huge surprise, Chris O’Brien called in and we took our “state of ufology” discussion to another level. I think some real good suggestions about where things could be going came out of this conversation.
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