A Tribute To Bruce Duensing – Life Is But A Dream

On Friday May 29th, I received a text message from Bruce Duensing that said “I am in the hospital with crappy WiFi…open heart surgery on Monday.” His daughter posted on his FB page that he passed away on the morning of June 4th, presumably from complications.

This was a shock to my guests “Red Pill Junkie” and “Burnt State” (aka Robert) and to me of course. We were just beginning to communicate on a deeper level with Bruce, sending messages and posts to each other about ideas we had either never thought of or hadn’t developed fully. We got together on the night of June 6th to talk about Bruce Duensing’s ideas and what little we know of his personal life from videos he posted online.

His basic philosophy is the idea that we are not equipped to deal with the paranormal on its own terms, since our perceptions have so many filters before they reach conscious and cultural awareness. The show centered on many concepts:

– You can’t study Ufology with Ufology. UFO study hasn’t kept up with the latest science.
– Energy and information are the same.
– How does the observer effect change what we are thinking about with UFO witnesses?
– Strong emotion inhibits randomness and entropy.
– UFO waves seemingly follow worldwide emotional events.
– Abnormal mental states and shamanism as windows to understanding of the unknown.
– Set and setting as factors in paranormal encounters.

The program opens with a pulled quote from the RM interview of February 1st, and ends with a segment of Bruce from one of his online videos that were located by Robert.

Illustrations of Bruce Duensing’s ideas courtesy of the talented RPJ. The Cafe Tacuba song at the end of the program is Olita Del Atlamar (Little Wave Of The High Seas.)

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Adam Gorightly – Friendly Talk and Live Listener Contest

Gorightly was is town for a couple of days and I couldn’t get in the house because it was full of posion gas, so I invited him for a friendly chat on the show. We have known each other for about 20 years and it shows in the almost (or actually) annoyingly informal nature of this show.

Adam had the great idea right off to use the inevitable sirens that come by the studio as the basis of a listener contest, which of course turned out to be A HUGE FAILURE BECAUSE THERE WERE NO SIRENS THIS TIME. So it was changed to a song guessing contest. Informal!

Since Adam’s latest is entitled Historia Discordia, we talked about the connections between Discordianism founder Kerry Thornley and former New Orleans D.A. Jim Garrison. At one point Garrison believed that the Discordian religion was a CIA front. We then read Thornley’s “Epistle To The Paranoids,” which makes vicious fun of paranoids. Many years later, Thornley became one himself. Beware.

We also spoke on the 1990s ‘zine revolution and how we met through that, and how it allowed us to interview the famous “Unicorn Killer” Ira Einhorn in the pages of my old magazine. We went on to talk about the “Varo Edition” of the 1955 book The Case For The UFO by Morris K. Jessup. I also found out from Adam that Jack Parsons’ wife Marjorie Cameron lived a few miles from the Integratron and knew famous UFO contactee George Van Tassel.

We  played some Frankie Laine songs and announced the winner of the song-naming contest before escaping.

Above: Gorightly with Robert Anton Wilson. Photo credit: Greg Bishop

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Listener “Farusha” talks about Remote Viewing and Abductions

Taking a break with no scheduled guests, a listener from New York nicknamed “Farusha” answered my call for calls. We quickly dove in to a 45 minute discussion about inflexible opinions, her experience with Russell Targ and his remote viewing class, and her own experiences with non-human consciousness. This was all sandwiched between two thick pieces of wacky music tracks. Nice interlude before getting back into it again.

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The Roswell Slides Explained

(Note: This interview, recorded on May 10, 2015, was the first and exclusive talk with some of the group who deciphered the placard writing in the so-called “Roswell slides.”)

The week of May 4, 2015 was perhaps a watershed time for the UFO research world. Images found on old slide film were claimed to be connected to the Roswell Incident and showed what the promoters and researchers they represented said were the dried body of an alien being. Experts were consulted and concluded that the body shown on the slides was not human.

After two years of changing stories and claims by the “Roswell Dream Team” researchers, Mexican TV journalist Jaime Maussan announced that the slides would be revealed to the world in a highly-anticipated presentation in Mexico City on May 5th. Tickets were sold for the show and live streaming was offered for a fee of about $20. Our guest “Red Pill Junkie” actually attended and on this show he describes what transpired.

Three days after the public reveal of the images, a group of researchers announced that they had solved the mystery and that the slides were pictures of the mummy of a two-year-old child found in the Southwestern US in the early 20th century. The vast majority of those who were interested in the mystery of the “Roswell Slides” now agree that their conclusions are correct.

In an exclusive interview, my guests Curt Collins, Paul Kimball, and Lance Moody described the events and cooperation that led to this revelation. The “Roswell Slides Research Group” (RSRG) used freely available image-enhancing software to decode a blurred placard that was visible in one of the images. They also produced a video showing how anyone with a computer can reproduce identical results. TV producer and slide promoter Adam Dew currently maintains that the image was either tampered with by RSRG, or was not processed properly.

While I do not agree with all of my guests’ opinions, it is important to note that a wide variety of viewpoints exist in the RSRG as well, ranging from the strict skepticism of Lance Moody to respected UFO researchers such as Chris Rutkowski, and my friend S Miles Lewis, whom almost no one would categorize as a “UFO skeptics.” The important thing is that they all agreed on this issue.

I will mention that the opinions expressed on the show are not necessarily those of myself or the killradio collective.

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Tim Binnall – “Tenth Anniversary Special”

The title refers to the fact that as of the date of recording, it has been ten years since the  first episode of  Tim’s legendary show Binnall of America. For this go-around we again started out with a little “shop talk” about what we do to produce our respective shows, how we conduct interviews, and who were the most influential and conversely, worst guests Tim has had. He also recalled one of his favorite interviews which was about the Dyatlov Pass Incident in which nine hikers were found dead under apparently mysterious (and very creepy) circumstances.

We talked about how large UFO groups (specifically MUFON) should rebrand themselves to guard against irrelevancy and bemoaned the prevalence of stupidity and non-critical thinking in general and on the internet in particular. Favorite TV shows were discussed as well as the good and bad stars of the remote viewing world. We ended up half-jokingly calling for  UFO conference of our own, to be held during the eclipse of 2017.

Photo above was taken by Tim while he was actually on the program.

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EsoterX – If Monsters Don’t Exist, Why Are They Out To Get Me?

The blogger known as EsoterX (aka Aaron Dabbah) is a rarity. He looks at the world of the anomalous, and instead of asking “Who?” or “How?” he asks “Why?” Trained as an archaeologist and information specialist, he turns his intelligent eye on such conundrums as “Fairy Fishing,” disappearing islands, and why unicorns are jerks.

Aaron asserts that anomalies are not so implausible if you are willing to suspend your disbelief. We started with his premise that the search for the meaning of the anomalous is the important part of the equation and our reaction to weirdness is more important than the actual weirdness itself. Moving through subjects at a leisurely pace, we also discussed the strangest of strange stories, such as an account that Charles Fort repeated about a cat who appeared before a crowd and asked “Hot enough for you?” before disappearing in a puff of smoke. We also dealt with the decline of quality humor and satire before he concluded that “Looking for respectability [as a researcher] is a losing game because you’re playing by rules that don’t apply to what you’re looking at.”

Many words and ideas to live by in this episode. He will be back.

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“Burnt State” – The Story’s The Thing

“Burnt State”‘s own artwork provided for our Easter day interview

“Burnt State” (or simply “Robert”) is the online alias of a man who has looked deeply into our relationship to the paranormal. After my last appearance on the Paracast, I noticed his comments in their forums and asked him if he would consent to an interview on RM.

Robert is interested in the way that we use storytelling to make sense of the world; particularly the stranger parts. Any witness to something that shouldn’t be has to find a way to make sense of it and in many cases communicate the experience to others. In this  insidious way, weirdness remains locked in a context that we have created.

We started out with Robert’s own dramatic UFO sighting from childhood and how it still affects him. He made the case that trauma can be experienced as abuse, violence, or just something that doesn’t make rational sense. Our brains either cover it up or make sense of it with a story that we can handle. We discussed the problem of schizophrenics and how simple talking therapy may help them and others with buried issues.

Robert is a high school teacher and he described the pressures that children and teenagers are subjected to in an age of almost total digital sitmuli and aggressive marketing. He has some novel ways of making his students aware of this and taking back their individuality. He also had an amazing story about his Ouija board experiments.

There is just a sample of our wide-ranging conversation, so I’ll shut up now and let you listen.

P.S. The audio of UFO witness testimony discussed during the show is available here, track 15. See also the story of “Conjuring Up Philip,” mentioned during our talk.

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Dr. Tyler Kokjohn, Jeff Ritzmann and Jeremy Vaeni – Project Core

The most important connection we have to examining the paranormal are the witnesses. For too long, researchers have concentrated on how testimony can fit in to preconceived notions of anomalous abduction episodes, psychic occurrences, and ghost sightings. Fields of inquiry are neatly divided into UFOs, cryptozoology, paraspychology, and ghost hunting.

The aim of  Project Core is to do away with strict categorization and let witnesses tell their stories without filtering. People who experience apparent entity visitations often report psychic episodes, strange animals, poltergeist phenomena and many other weird events, and the project’s anonymous online reporting format allowed participants to report their experiences without fear of ridicule or censure. Three of the directors of Project Core are credentialed scientists with doctorates in their fields.

Jeremy Vaeni and Jeff Ritzmann both have a history of extraordinary paranormal encounters and Dr. Tyler Kokjohn is a biochemist with a keen interest in these areas not normally examined by science. They joined me for a discussion of what was found, and what it might mean for our understanding of these seemingly disparate subjects. This may be one of the first glimpses of future paranormal research.

Jeremy made a music request for “Stay Hungry” by Twisted Sister, so that’s at the end!

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Mike Marinacci – Crazy California Cults

Mike is the author of the touchstone book about a forgotten side of Golden State history, Mysterious California. Published in 1988, it predated the “weird” travel book craze by almost 20 years, and started me on a path to meet him in 2006 when we were co-authors of Weird California. He has been studying the history of non-scheduled religious movements and groups in our home state for more than 20 years, and now chronicles these strange groups and people at Califia’s Children.

We discussed what makes a “cult.” While he is careful to label only the most dangerous groups with that name, Mike pointed out that all religions start out as a cult. People join mainly for a sense of belonging –  to be part of a “tribe.”  Many of the groups minister to the rejected and the marginalized, and not all have negative effects on the members.

We talked about the strange connection that the Santa Susanna Pass area has in the lore of  the Los Angeles area. Krishna Venta, a former convict turned religious prophet whose story bears eerie similarities to Charles Manson, settled there in 1948. He was dead by 1958, killed by suicide bombings by two disgruntled members.

We embarked on an extensive discussion of occultist Manly Palmer Hall and his influence on Los Angeles history and society. We also discussed the notorious Children Of God group and their sexualization of Christianity. Mike gave a unique perspective on Scientology’s concentration on Los Angeles and the power of celebrity endorsement. Near the end of the program, we mentioned the bizarre Incest and Homosexual Church of the Universe, which at its peak had perhaps 4 acolytes.

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Bruce Duensing – Becoming The Change We Want to See

Bruce Duensing has been writing about UFOs and anomalies for many years now. His old blog, Intangible Materiality, was decommissioned, but A Transit Of Contingencies carries on his explorations into the nature of time, memory, cognition, and language as they relate to our relationship with the anomalous. If the study of UFOs is to continue, and we don’t want to run the same scripts forever, we need to take a look at the instrument (our minds and the way we experience things) that is gathering and interpreting the data.

In a completely informal conversation, we discussed the problem of identifying something of unknown origin for which all of our frames of reference are from ourselves and our culture. Duensing asked how we might escape the trap of our senses, memories, and subconscious filtering, and suggested some solutions. He also lamented the fact that most people prefer simple and uncomplicated explanations. He introduced the concept that fear may be a sort of “carrier wave” for experiencing the unknown, both from our perspective and perhaps more importantly, from the view of any non-human intelligence behind it.

We discussed what we might ask an “alien” if given a chance. “I’d ask it what it thought I was,” he said, which might give us a perspective from outside of human experience. I thought that I might instead tell the entity that I didn’t believe in it and see what happened.

During the interview, Bruce said “There is a lot of unspoken nihilism going around UFO research” which is something I want to put on a T-shirt! I gained much hope and perspective during this 2-hour talk, and would be quite interested to see the comments.

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Paul Kimball and Aaron Gulyas – The 2014 Zorgy Awards

The Zorgy awards are solely curated, voted upon, tallied and announced by Paul Kimball, and what he says is an alien explorer but looks like a fat, fuzzy stuffed duck. It’s basically an excuse to go over the previous year in the UFO biz. Here’s a full list. Our buddy, author, author, and history professor Aaron Gulyas joined us with his incisive commentary and supplied many good laughs and bon mots.

After a short discussion about how we shouldn’t be afraid of criticism, first up for examination is the recent “disclosure tweetstorm” which attempted to bludgeon the US Government into submission with requests for UFO info. We covered Best Paranormal Facebook group, Best Paranormal News Site, and then a little on the death of print magazines. We also reserved some criticism for the Hangar 1 TV show. We continued with Lamest Paranormal Story of the Year and Biggest Paranormal Moron, and finished up with the Best Paranormal Researcher.

At the end, Paul listed off new inductees to his halls of Shame and Fame. Let the discussion begin.

P.S. Radio Misterioso won for best Podcast. Thanks Paul and Admiral Zorgrot!

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Mr. Fab Returns Returns

After a long absence, the legendary Mr. Fab returns to educate us on the best of the worst. Music, that is. Mr. Fab is the meister of the long-running blog, Music For Maniacs – a site from which I steal much material for my music shows. Better to get it straight from the source. The evening featured a few space and UFO songs, and even Frank Sinatra Jr’s version of the Gumby theme.

Gaze upon this mighty playlist and despair/ enjoy!

Jean And the Esquires – Space Race
Travis Wammack –  There’s a UFO Up There
Monte Johnson – Flying Saucers In The Air
Billy Vaughn & Orch – Telstar
The Chaperones – Man From The Moon
Satanic Puppeteer Orchestra – Where Can He Dood It?
The Noctures – 3rd Star to the Left
Iggy Pop – Monster Men
Moog Cookbook – Hotel California
Marlin Wallace – That Flyin’ Saucer
Satanic Puppeteer Orchestra – Frankenstein’s Laundromat
The Tiger Lillies – Snip Snip
Michael Douglas & William Shatner – Keep It Gay
Twink – Breakfast Machine
Survival Bomb Shelter Ad
Fritz Guggenheimer and his Sauerkraut Band – Stars and Stripes Forever
Marlin Wallace – Millipede
Little Bang Theory – Garden Party
Rich Little – Real Live Girl
Frank Sinatra Jr. – Gumby
7 Singing Sisters – William Tell Overture
Jack Hodges – Everything Is Fresh Today
Homer Henderson and The Dalworthington Garden Boys – Lee Harvey Was A Friend Of Mine
Spike Jones – Ah 1 Ah 2 Ah Sunset Strip
Blarney Stein (Evolution Control Committee) – 1999
Spike Jones – The Wonderful World Of Hari Kari
Ronald Vaughn – Jennifer Love Hewitt
Senator Sam Earvin Jr. – Bridge Over Troubled Water
E-Cousins – Elvis On Terrorism
George Formby – When I’m Cleaning Windows
Peter Pringle – Indian Love Call
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Nick Redfern – The Roswell Slides and Hacked Researchers

In the past few months, much has been made in certain quarters about the recent surfacing of slide film supposedly depicting dead aliens from the Roswell crash. The so-called “dream team” of researchers who are keeping their findings about these artifacts under wraps until they say that they can authenticate them conclusively have still not been forthcoming with any new information.

Nick was on the show to discuss the recent hacking of his personal computer and online accounts by a mysterious person or group. The members of the Roswell research group were also affected. Nick reports that two years before the announcement of the existence of the slides, he was contacted by an individual asking how much he thought that the images were worth. The fact that this person went to UFO researchers rather than a more mainstream media outlet (or was rejected by them first) is telling. Nick and I both agreed that the slides, even if “authentic” would prove very little to those outside of the UFO research community.

During the second half of the show we discussed Nick’s upcoming Men In Black book and how UFO study could most likely not reinvent itself to make any headway towards solving the mystery. It would also do little to gain mainstream respectability, which I contend is not worth the struggle.

A fun talk with a lot of laughs from an old friend of mine and a singular voice on parnaormal topics.

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Walter Bosley – Secret Missions

My friend and former co-host Walter returned recently to discuss Secret Missions: The Hidden Legacy Of Old California, the fifth book in his “Empire of the Wheel” series concerning strange happenings in Southern California and the American Southwest. He informed us that early European explorers may have arrived in the area in the 17th century to search for a powerful symbolic object that Walter thinks was hidden here by the Knights Templar or their agents. He contends that he object that they may have been seeking was a weapon made of metal from a meteorite, which was supposed to possess great power.

We started with a short history of Spanish conquest and the idea that conquistadors were often sent with explicit instructions to treat the native populations with respect. We also talked about which non-native civilizations may have first set foot in North America, and  accounts which cast doubt on the death of one of the most famous explorers of early California history and his burial location on one of the Channel Islands.

For the last part of the show we turned to the subject of debates with critics and how to get through them in a civil manner as well as Walter’s extensive fiction writing.

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Red Pill Junkie Pt. 3

RPJ joined us again to talk about the issues of putting on the Paradigm Symposium, but of course we soon slipped into a 2 1/2 hour conversation about UFOs, neolithic technology, and other little things like the meaning of existence.

What is the true nature of UFOs and other paranormal phenomena, and how can we experience them directly, even on demand? Is debate among friends better than with adversaries? Is the wish for government UFO “disclosure” a dead end that stifles individual thought? How does one go about becoming obsessed with a subject and then writing about it?

These were big questions with fun, if sometimes inconclusive answers. As Jim Moseley used to say “But so what?

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Paul Kimball Makes Me Say Things

Paul Kimball was on again a couple of months back and the show truly turned into a conversation with Paul asking me who would be on my personal Mount Rushmore of UFO Shame and Fame. We also delved into the saga of the MJ-12 documents and who might have faked them. While Paul is almost sure that Bill Moore had a hand in it for personal profit or ego or an effort to “shake the tree,” I seriously doubt this theory. Other subjects that came up were the pervasive presence of Ancient Aliens and what Steven Greer’s guards (or “goons” as Paul called them) did to him at the 2001 MUFON conference. We talked (in a theme that has become a staple of the show) about UFO study and what might be done to change it. I expressed my continuing opinion that it should be done away with so that something new could blossom. The phenomenon might even change as a result of a different point of view.

Paul Kimball’s websites are The Other Side Of Truth and beyonderstv. He also says one of his other popular sites is Stantonfriededman.com, but I doubt that.

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Aerika Keith and Kenn Thomas – Carry On Jim Keith

Aerika Keith is one of the late Jim Keith’s daughters. Look him up, but what you need to know is:

“Keith authored popular books on conspiracy topics, including Mind Control/World Control, Black Helicopters I and II, OK Bomb, Saucers of the Illuminati, Casebook on Alternative 3, Casebook on the Men In Black and many others and his views are considered unapologetically controversial.

One of the underlying themes of Keith’s works is that the UFO phenomenon is, in fact, of entirely earthly origin and has its roots within a parallel program of technological development. Keith maintained a steadfast commitment to the earthly-origin theory, and he believed that there was a concerted effort to put forth the extraterrestrial hypothesis into the public consciousness.”

If for only that last part, Keith is worthy of serious consideration and at this point, re-evaluation. My personal favorite was Saucers Of The Illuminati, which had an almost John-Keelian point of view of the UFO phenomenon.

Kenn Thomas introduced Aerika (over facebook) and we all made a date to talk on the exact day that Jim passed away in 1999 (which we didn’t realize until Kenn pointed it out on the show.)  The talk ran the gamut from Jim’s writing to pharmaceutical coverups to cutting-edge comedy. Aerika also announced her plans to release some of her late father’s unpublished work. Enjoy.

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Adam Gorightly – Historia Discordia

Gorightly’s back again with a new book based on his custodial ownership of the original holy documents of the Discordian movement. The religion, founded in a Southern California bowling alley in 1957, was the first modern joke disguised as a religion, or was it?

We talked about the history of the Discordians, Gorightly’s interaction with Discordian-affiliated luminaries like Robert Anton Wilson and Bob Newport, and its influence on the counterculture.

Halfway through the program, I played the 1975 hit, “Convoy,” featuring Adam Gorightly singing under his CIA-assigned pseudonym, “C.W. McCall.”

Photo of Gorightly as Rodin’s “Stinker” by Barbara Harris.

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Walter Bosley – The Nameless Ones

The third and final book in the Empire Of The Wheel series by my guest and former co-host Walter Bosley ties together all of the themes presented so far, and introduces some new evidentiary threads involving horror writer H.P. Lovecraft, the Zodiac Killer and the horrifying activities of a little-known serial killer of the 1920s.

The events center around a rash of unsolved murders in the Inland Empire area of Southern California in the first years of the 20th century.

In the course of his investigations, Walter believes that he also has found evidence that Harry Houdini was targeted for death by the Spiritualist movement because of Houdini’s relentless persecution of members who he claimed were taking advantage of bereaved relatives of the deceased.

Walter also describes some strange shenanigans at the Secret Service archives and National Archives when he asked for a file from 1915, the period of the action in the books. This was the first time he mentioned this turn of events.

Learn more at Walter’s site dedicated to the mystery.

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Patrick Connelly – They Rode The Flying Saucers

Orthon's footprint

When Patrick originally got in touch with me about his documentary, entitled “They Rode The Flying Saucers,” I was wary that he was another producer out to make a fun, kooky film about a bunch of stupid weirdos. How wrong I was. Connelly is serious about the movement, while not taking all the claims at face value, which is exactly my take.

Patrick is even more protective of the contactee legacy than I am, and is well on the way to finishing a film composed of archival footage, vintage audio from the 1950s and ’60s, and most excitingly, animation done by Connelly himself. He showed me a little bit of his animation of the George Adamski 1952 meeting with his space brother friend Orthon.

We discussed his film, opinions of contactees, fundamentalist skeptics, and our favorite documentary filmmakers, among many other things. We laughed a lot and I talked too much. Check out Patrick’s blog for more.

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Aaron Gulyas: The Chaos Conundrum

Aaron’s newest book is a collection of essays on many of the subjects we cover here on the show. I admitted up front that I hadn’t read all of the book, but Aaron was gracious about it and we dove right in. I guess neither of us really should have had any worries, as the show was great fun.

Among other subjects, we delved into ufological stalkers, the de-evolution of UFO study into an “echo chamber,” and the infamous book “Trance Formation Of America” and its shocking indictment of beloved folk/ country singing star Boxcar Willie.

When I asked what interested him in writing about the paranormal, Aaron eloquently said that he was basically “trying to restate the question in a more interesting way,” which might be the best description of why anyone writes about these subjects that I’ve heard in years.

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Chris O’Brien: Cattle Mutilations Make No Sense At All

Whatever your opinion is of unexplained animal mutilations in general and the work of Chris O’Brien in particular, his newest book Stalking The Herd is perhaps either the first or last you will need to read on the subject. In my opinion, it is exhaustive and well-balanced, afraid of neither the mundane or the truly bizarre.

We discussed the history of cows and their relationship to humans. Chris mentioned the fact that countries with less consumption of beef have no record of cattle mutilations, even if they have a thriving beef industry. He also elaborated on the fact that many of the cases of unsolved animal deaths have historically seemed to cluster downwind from facilities that process and use uranium. These are only a couple of the subjects that came up during the wide-ranging conversation.

With all this information, it is surprising that Chris has come to the conclusion that so far there is no one theory that seems to fit the mystery.

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Micah Hanks: The Future of UFO Study

No list of questions was needed for this fun and informative talk with one of the most unique researchers active today. This show was classic Radio Misterioso (which means I talked a lot more than I should have) but Micah is one of those people who makes me think a lot about why we’re all interested in this UFO stuff.

We opened with a discussion of the Malaysian Airlines mystery. We then looked at the classic case known as the “Battle Of Los Angeles,” and reports of a “butterfly”-shaped object in the sky during this WWII-era incident.

One of my favorite parts of this show was our extended talk about the problems with UFO reports and data-gathering, and how it should be much more extensive with regards to witnesses’ backgrounds and follow-up interviews. We also delved into the abduction/ DMT connection. At the end of the show, I asked Micah about his favorite movies and books, only some of which are UFO-related.

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Albert Rosales: I ♥ Humanoids II

Almost everyone would agree that reports of humanoid entities are far more interesting than lights in the sky. For our second go-around, Albert started with a list of his more intriguing cases from this year. Then I asked him about Bigfoot entities seen in the vicinity of UFO sightings. We continued with a discussion of how more humanoid reports have been coming in during the last few years, and how that may be due to Rosales having a place to actually report them. After we talked about one of Albert’s own experiences, we discussed some of  the strangest cases he knows of, which are labeled “type x” – a literal X-File. We also had a lengthy discussion about so-called “repeater” cases, which used to be anathema to large UFO groups. One of the most famous is Charles Hickson from the Pascagoula abduction. I agree with Albert when he says that the weirder the story, the more believable it probably is.

Albert’s site is Humanoid Sighting Reports and Journal of Humanoid Studies.

 

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Curt Collins: Cash-Landrum Reconsidered

If you don’t know about this case, read up before listening. The short version is that two women and a small boy encountered a strange, hovering object on a lonely road in East Texas on the night of December 29th 1980. Soon afterwords, a group of military-type helicopters surrounded the object and the group flew slowly out of sight. After the incident, the witnesses appeared to suffer varying degrees of effects from what appeared to have been ionizing radiation.

What my guest Curt Collins is doing is trying to get past both the misinformation that has been propagated by UFO investigators as well as the attempts of fundamentalist skeptics to explain it away as a hoax or misidentification. What emerges is a tale of selective attention and beliefs leading the investigations (or lack of them.) Collins is very careful to keep from falling into any set theory, and keeps his investigation open-ended.

More can be seen at his excellent site Blue Blurry Lines.

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Nick Redfern: For Nobody’s Eyes Only

Nick was in town a few weeks ago and joined me to talk about his new book (which is the title of this post) as well as many, many other subjects. The book deals with government files on many famous people and makes the point that what we are not allowed to see tells us a great deal about what is publicly released.

I sort of apologize for the fact that we were both drinking beer during the show. This is probably the only interview you will ever hear where Nick is occasionally possessed by a chicken. Really.

The subject of weirdos at UFO conventions came up, as well as occult issues, the illusion of time, a strange missing person story with little-known contactees and a lot of other things that we have never mentioned on his other appearances on the show.

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Red Pill Junkie Pt. 2

For our second conversation, RPJ and I continued with our faint condemnation of large UFO groups, and the pros and cons of abduction research. I bought up the seeming rise of fundamentalist skeptics in sheep’s clothing as popular UFO study slumbers through a fallow period, and we discussed the possible reasons that a strain of self-righteous skepticism has attracted hipster culture. RPJ asked me about meeting Jacques Vallee and John Keel and we discussed our favorite whiskies and bourbon. We got back on track with cultural differences in humanoid sightings and the strange Voronezh UFO occupant case. Much more to like in this segment. RPJ will be on again without a doubt.

The translation of the lyrics to the Cafe Tacuba song “Zopilotes,” played at the end of the show is in RPJ’s article here.

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Red Pill Junkie – From Consumer to Producer

The man known as “Red Pill Junkie” has long been a mystery to me. He started commenting on the old UFOMystic site a few years ago with thought-provoking ideas and always seemed to move the discussion to a new level or make us aware of developments that were little-known at the time. Eventually, he caught the attention of bloggers and luminaries such as Micah Hanks and became a columnist and blogger in his own right.

The conversation was like talking to someone I had known for years, especially since we seemed to have been influenced by many of the same people and ideas. The talk veered from concepts of God to how legitimate the practice of channeling might be to the use of the Chupacabra mystery as a coverup for political corruption in Mexico.

As requested by RPJ, the show opens with part of a song called “El Aparato” by Cafe Tacuba, which is about a UFO abduction.

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Music And A Call-In

Here’s one of those “alternating with weird music” interludes advertised at the top of the page. Gorightly suggested that I post this because he liked (most of) the music. Weirdness included a DEVO hit played on an old push-button phone, another space monkey song, and a little Tenesee Ernie Ford for my dad’s birthday. Listener Steph called in to talk about poltergeists and the history of our interest in the paranormal.

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Kenn Thomas – “I’m Out”

Kenn Thomas, author of landmark books such as The Octopus and JFK and UFO, joined me last week to announce his retirement from the JFK assassination research community. He’s made his contribution, he says, and awaits others to continue in his footsteps.

We talked about the basics of the the assassination and why it still matters. Kenn brought up a few new issues that appeared in advance of the 50th anniversary of the event, such as a NOVA special that supports the single-bullet theory. He also went into some detail about his research into the shadowy figure of Fred Crisman and his possible involvement, as outlined in JFK and UFO.

We went on to talk about the burnout factor in conspiracy and paranormal research, and a few people who we think are carrying on some of these traditions of questioning the status quo. I’ve known Kenn for over 15 years, so of course I had no list of questions or topics. We mostly just talked.

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Albert Rosales: I ♥ Humanoids

Albert Rosales is someone I didn’t know I wanted to interview until Tim Binnall stated the obvious: Why not just ask him?

Albert and I talked about his own history of strange encounters, which led him to create his incredible site called Humanoid Sighting Reports & Journal of Humanoid Studies. It is an unparalleled repository of reports and accounts of human and not-so-human entities reported over the centuries from all over the world. The accounts range from the expected “greys” to such high strangeness as amorphous sparkling blobs.

To his credit, when faced with the breadth and number of the reports, Albert says that the “aliens from other planets” explanation does not work for most accounts. Those who think that the strangeness of “aliens” ends with bald-headed creatures buggering us in the night have much fun and learning awaiting them. The humanoids may not have wanted us to talk about them, as there were a few phone problems.

Thanks to Tim Brigham for the show title suggestion.

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Tim Binnall: Paranormal Radio

Tim Binnall joined me again last week to talk about his recent guests on Binnall Of America, how we conduct interviews, and to announce that I had officially won the 2013 BoA baseball pool, among many other subjects. We also find out that his one of his guests had a novel explanation for the Amelia Earhart disappearance.
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Skylaire Alfvegren and Tim Brigham: Rapid Fire

Fortean and all-around expert writer Skylaire Alfvegren and psychology professor Tim Brigham joined me for a rambling discussion about subjects ranging from the psychological makeup of UFO witnesses to the reasons for Nick Redfern’s work ethic to contactee airplane pilots. Much more contained in this extremely concentrated episode. Tim requested the song at the end of the program. Enjoy!

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Mike Clelland: The Owls Are Not What They Seem

Owls figure prominently in abduction accounts and literature, and Mike Clelland has become the point man for this aspect of the phenomenon. Mike is a very talented illustrator (most notably for Mac Tonnies’ Cryptoterrestrials.) He is willing to entertain almost any theory for why strange experiences seem to happen to him and many others.

We may have provided ourselves a template for whatever is causing the abduction mystery, and Mike and I discuss this possibility and many others during the program. We also talked in depth about Mike’s personal experiences as well as unique synchronicities, which may be clues to glimpses of another level of reality above or next to or coexistent with ours. While I remain unconvinced that the majority of “abductions” are happening as reported, I am reasonably certain that we have been involved for millenia in some sort of interaction with an intelligence that is not us.

Mike’s thought-provoking blog (and associated podcast) is called Hidden Experience.

 

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Paul Kimball: A Balanced View

Paul and I have been friends since 2006. In that time, we have agreed on many things, disagreed on others, and not taken any of it too seriously. I have also seen Paul go from a fairly hard-line stance on the paranormal to something closer to a true skeptic – that is keeping an open-ended mindset on each case or subject, and not being afraid to declare something unproven, rather than simply true or false. However, he is still not afraid express his opinions on many subjects in our wide-ranging conversation.

On this evening, we went from a discussion of religion to the merits of a life lived by one’s wits to the disclosure movement, and finally the sequence of events that led to researcher Phil Imbrogno’s embarrassment out of the paranormal field.

 

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Greg Valdez: Dulce Base

There is a huge mythology surrounding the so-called Dulce underground base in northwestern New Mexico. Most if not all of the stories surrounding this subject were started as disinfo from government sources. My guest Greg Valdez was on the front lines for most of the time that these rumors were being manufactured. He accompanied and later assisted his father, the late New Mexico State Police Officer Gabe Valdez at the dawn of the cattle mutilation mystery that gripped the area surrounding the town of Dulce and the Jicarilla Apache reservation on which it lies.

On this program, we started with a short history of the weird happenings in the area, which along with the unexplained animal deaths included almost nightly sightings of strange lights in the sky. The revelations about some of these lights and Greg’s adventures and conversations with his father directly answers the tales of alien bases and cow-napping. The truth of the matter is most likely far more earthly and far more sinister than any UFO true-believer would want to admit. The history of atomic and biological weapons testing and possible black-budget aircraft play a major role.

I was truly amazed more than once over the course of this interview. The research in Greg Valdez’ book Dulce Base and the revelations it contains will rewrite the history of this chapter in UFO lore, for those who care to read with an open and critical mind.

The book will be released in 2-3 weeks There will be a link to it and the associated website posted here.

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Chris O’Brien: Stalking The Herd

Chris has a new book in the works and it may be his best to date. He is probably one of the best known and respected “cattle mutilation” researchers in the world, and his next book (entitled Stalking The Herd) will be an examination and analysis of his discoveries over two decades in the field of anomalous animal deaths and associated strangeness.

He attended all of the recent UFO Disclosure hearings in the Washington, D.C. and has a report with both praise and critique for what transpired. We also talked brought up the “what’s wrong with UFO study” subject and pointed out some hopeful directions that it could be headed and perhaps already is. We had a lengthy discussion about the sometimes uneasy symbolic and real relationship between humans and cows and the implications in light of the mutilation phenomenon. As many have suspected for years, the mutilations may not be the result of one factor, and the alien/ UFO explanation is probably the least likely. We also talked about Chris’ interest in Ray Stanford’s films and videos and his contention that it is probably the best UFO documentation he has seen.

Lots more in the episode, with a few surprises thrown in. Interview recorded on June 30, 2013.

 

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A.J. Gulyas: Contactee-O-Rama

Historically, the subject of the Flying Saucer Contactees has been anathema to “serious” UFO research groups, and this is one of the reasons why we discuss it regularly on this program. A.J. Gulyas has just written a scholarly historical treatment of this underrated movement (entitled Extraterrestrials and the American Zeitgeist) and we dissected it on June 9th. Aaron is a history professor at Mott Community College in Flint, Michigan

Aaron says, ultimately, that the question of the Contactees boils down to this: “Why did they decide that making up easily disprovable stories about space brothers was the best way to get their political ideas out to the people?” This may surprise (and even disturb) some, but we both agree that at least some of the contactees may have actually had some sort of paranormal experiences.

We also went into a lengthy comparison of John Keel’s Mothman Prophecies as compared to Gray Barker’s The Silver Bridge and decided that Barker’s book is ultimately the hipper, cooler version of the Mothman story. We also talked about the strange book Trance Formation of America and its weird, hilarious and disturbing tales of personal abuse and intrigue by elements of the U.S. power structure. There was also a segment where we tried to top each other with vintage Contactee books that we have in our collections.

This was just the sort of rambling conversation that I always love and I hope you do too.

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Mr. Fab – More Music For More Maniacs

Last Sunday, Mr. Fab from the excellent Music For Maniacs blog brought along some more gems from the strange and wonderful world of outsider sounds. The wonderfulness began with a piece which incorporated audio from early UFO “abductee” Herbert Schirmer. We followed with such nuggets as a five-year old singing about why “You Make Me So Crazy,” a refreshing ripoff of “In A Gadda Da Vida/ Wild Thing” by a Bollywood singer, and a song about sex with hamsters. Of course William Shatner makes an appearance covering “Silver Machine,”a 1967 composition by the Brit hippie band Hawkwind.

A complete list of tracks can be seen at Mr Fab’s site.

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Walter Bosley: Occult Murder II – Friends From Sonora

Walter Bosley’s new book is called Empire Of The Wheel Part II: Friends From Sonora. It is the second in a trilogy of non-fiction books examining little-known intrigue surrounding an unsolved murder of a mysterious woman which happened almost a century ago in Southern California.

Walter discussed his research and revelations about the identity of the woman and her possible connections to the airship mystery of the late 19th century, German immigrants who may have been operating flying machines in the US before the Civil War, and two of the most famous outlaws of the old wild west.

Some of you may remember Walter’s background includes stints as in the FBI and the Air Force Office of Special Investigations. In the last part of the show, we looked at Sgt. Richard Doty’s Air Force record (sent to me recently by researcher Alejandro Rojas) and discussed the implications of this legally released material.

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Tim Cridland: True Disbelievers and Rogue Archaelogy

Tim Cridland is known to most of the world as “Zamora The Torture King.” There is plenty available online about his carnival acts of flesh piercing, sword swallowing, fire eating and laying on beds of nails.

What many people are not aware of is that Tim is a scholar of the strange and has been ever since he published the landmark independent magazine Off The Deep End in the late 1980s and early ’90s. I was a big fan of the publication, which featured such adventures as an interview titled “Walking The Dog With Phil Klass.” Tim and I discussed this during the over 2 hours that he stopped by my house yesterday. The new digital recorder was there to pick it all up.

We also talked about Tim’s theory that Klass may have been the hoaxer of the MJ-12 documents, manifested thoughtforms, magicians who experience actual magic effects, the fundamentalist skeptic mindset, and Tim’s research into Alan Le Baron, a self-taught archaeologist who in the early 1920s claimed that the deserts of Nevada were the cradle of humankind.

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Brent Raynes – UFOs, Bigfoot, Ghosts And Other Usual Suspects

On April 14th, longtime paranormal researcher Brent Raynes joined me for a very fun and synchronistic couple of hours. I could have sworn that he looked up info on me beforehand as he mentioned my middle name and birthday seemingly out of nowhere in the course of talking about his investigations. Very strange.

We talked about his long-running magazine, Alternate Perceptions, his association with researcher Dr. Greg Little, the importance of truly strange UFO cases, and experiments and adventures with the spirit box. We ended with an discussion of Peruvian whistling vessels, which are claimed to put listeners in altered states.

Thanks for all of your patience while life and problems with those interwebs have conspired to keep us apart.

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Tim Brigham: Jim Moseley, Parapsychology Research and God Helmets

Tim is a Doctor of Cognitive Experimental Psychology and is a laboratory parapsychology researcher. He is also the past associate editor of Saucer Smear. These were the main topics on this program, which aired live on January 20th. Tim met Smear publisher Jim Moseley when he was an impressionable teenager. It was essentially out of this friendship that he became involved with the intrigue of the longest-running UFO periodical in the world.

Jim Moseley was a friend and an inspiration to me as well and Tim recalled him fondly with such stories as Moseley pissing off abductee Linda Napolitano/ Cortile, and the time that researcher Budd Hopkins gave him and Brigham the finger at a UFO convention. We talked a bit about Jim’s personality and his attitudes towards some of the famous people in the UFO field.

We then segued into a segment about Tim’s parapsychological interests and experiments that he is planning with Michael Persinger’s so-called “God Helmet” which as been shown to produce quasi-religious experiences on demand. We also went into a discussion of how UFO sightings might be affected by our preconceptions from pop culture and even earlier reports, which led to an extended segment on the Hill abduction case and details that have been forgotten, such as Barney Hill’s first description of his abductor as a “red haired Irishman” wearing a Nazi uniform.

Image – Jim Moseley from Tim Brigham’s site mojomachine

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Surprise Show: Nick Redfern and Chris O’Brien

This show started off as a music and call-in show, but when I called Nick Redfern, it took off. We started right in about problems with UFO studies, people who we think are doing good work, and then launched into a discussion of government secrets and how Nick does his research. A discussion of Charles Fort’s personal life followed and then quite a bit more about the nature of UFO study and how it might be improved.

In a huge surprise, Chris O’Brien called in and we took our “state of ufology” discussion to another level. I think some real good suggestions about where things could be going came out of this conversation.

NOTICE: I may go to a registered user-only comment section, since I get 100-300 spam messages on the site a day, even with the filters I have in place. Tell me what you think.

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Adam Gorightly: Discordians, Paranoia and Call-Ins

On December 30th, we had our old buddy Adam back on for a visit and a little catching up.

We started out with Bigfoot, and his/ their apparent talent for language and mimicry. We also talked about expanded awareness that results from psychedelic drugs, especially after they wear off.

In about 2003 or so, Adam dragged me along on an interview with Robert Anton Wilson. From that interview, Adam found out about a cache of documents from the early years of the Discordian religion, which he eventually acquired and will soon be releasing a book based on them. He also uncovered a wealth of documents on counterculture figure Kerry Thornley and his interaction with the Warren Commission and New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison, which will be the subject of another book to be released this year, just in time for the 50th anniversary of the assassination, and he described that project for about 15 minutes.

Later, we launched into a discussion of paranoid states of mind and our experiences with them, such as a recording of our talk with Wilson, which was apparently lost in the mail for over a year.

Tim Binnall called in and chimed in on our discussion of people who want to “clean up” UFO research. We all agreed that this was a losing battle considering the personalities involved and of course the mercurical nature of the subject itself.

Former Jim Moseley colleague/ co-conspirator Tim Brigham called in later in the show to discuss his proposed cage match with a parapsychology skeptic. He also announced that Saucer Smear has ceased publication forever, since Moseley as editor was the heart and soul of the publication. I support this decision. The next 20 minutes was a reminiscnce about Moseley and his benign disrespect for the UFO community of which he was an integral part.

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Silly Christmas Music Show

Tonight’s show featured everything from the ridiculous to the silly to the almost traditional. From the depths of Tiny Tim’s rendition of “Rudolph The Red-Nosed Reindeer” to the ethereal beauty of “Silent Night” on the Great Stalacpipe Organ, please enjoy and have a great holiday.

In the next few weeks we will welcome guests such as our good friend Bob Emenegger and also Rob Sterling of the Konformist website and newsletter. Other guests will be announced as they are confirmed.

PS – Here’s one of my favorite Christmas comedy bits by Patton Oswalt.

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Dean Radin: Entangled Minds

ESP and psychokinesis (symbolized by “psi,” the 23rd letter of the Greek alphabet ) are still highly controversial concepts, at least in the basic science taught in most schools and waved as a banner by so-called skeptical groups. According to my guest, however, there is a quiet revolution among credentialed scientists that may lead to more open research into parapsychology.

Dr. Dean Radin has been on the forefront of this research for decades, performing  laboratory experiments, writing scientific papers, and doing statistical analyses of years of collected data. He has also written two popular books for a wider audience. The Conscious Universe, published in 1997, was an examination of the evidence for psychic functioning and some of the implications for the knowledge of its existence. Entangled Minds was released in 2006 and continued Dr. Radin’s careful look at the evidence and described possible theories to explain psi.

On this program, we discussed Dr. Radin’s background and his early interest in paranormal topics, and how this led him to a career as a working parapsychologist. We then looked at the rocky early history of quantum theory (which forms the basis of a possible working theory of psychic phenomena) and how its acceptance among more scientists would be the basis of a possible renaissance of psychic research.

Dr. Radin’s next book will be entitled Super Normal: Science, Yoga, and the Evidence For Extraordinary Psychic Abilities, which will be published next year.

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Walter And Listener Call-Ins

Just before I left on my trip, Walter arrived in the studio and we opened with a few random subjects. We mentioned William Corliss’ Sourcebook project. Recent writing projects and difficulty with getting them going took up a few minutes. We made a bit of fun of one of the disclosure movements’ newer wrinkles. The premiere of Walter’s first theatrical film happened on November 25th, and we talked up the event.

Phil Harris’ great novelty song “The Thing” provided a break before listener Ward called in to talk about the Alternative Universe Conferences, Walter’s AFOSI career, the recent Bob Emenegger interview, and weird phenomena at Whitley Strieber’s cabin. Carlos was next and we discussed the extra-normal abilities of pets, stealth aircraft and possible technology that remains secret, and aspects of the Gaia hypothesis.

At the end of the show, we played a recording of a seance or channeling of a dead WWII pilot that is actually quite creepy.

See you next week as we welcome parapsychological scientist and researcher Dean Radin to the program.

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Paul Kimball: The Other Side Of Truth (ISBN 0991697502)

Paul Kimball‘s first book was released on October 4th. In the interest of not repeating myself, please see the description of our last interview from July 14th for details about the book.

The effect of exposure to actual paranormal-type events (during production of his TV show Ghost Cases) and the combined input of Stuart Miller, Nick Redfern, myself, and the groundbreaking theories of our late friend Mac Tonnies (among other factors) have influenced Paul’s thinking in the few years we’ve known each other and changed him from a vaguely interested observer to someone who thinks deeply and passionately about the subject. Combined with his background in history, law, and philosophy, The Other Side Of Truth is a must-read for listeners of this show, and a great introduction to advanced concepts of the paranormal and how it relates to other aspects of the human experience.

This interview delves into the deeper aspects of Paul’s background and experiences. We talked about the writings of 19th century Canadian Christian mystic Henry Alline, a scary night with a shadow person in the Czech Republic, a unique and frightening UFO case from Nova Scotia, and the probable improbability of science to provide answers to the paranormal, among many, many other subjects.

Photo: Paul and I at the mysterious Racetrack Playa in 2008.

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Robert Emenegger – UFOs and Yoga and Hypnosis and Teleportation (and Silly Music)

Robert Emenegger is one of those people that lurk just beyond the veil of celebrity. He’s knows all sorts of people you’ve heard about, but hardly anyone ever mentions Emenegger by name. One of the reasons I admire him is that he seems to like it that way.

In the first part of the interview, we talked about his 1976 film UFOs, It Has Begun. Bob and his producing partner Alan Sandler received unprecedented access to government personnel and facilities to find out what was truly known about flying unidentifieds. He was even offered a copy of the film of the famed (if unproven) UFO landing at New Mexico’s Holloman Air Base in 1967, only to have it rescinded near the end of production. During the filming, Emenegger was introduced to many of the background players in the Air Force/ UFO equation, such as Col Bob. Friend and Col. Bill Coleman.

In the second 2 hours, we delved into his experiences making a film with legendary hypnotist Martin Orne, who unmasked Hillside Stranger Kenneth Bianchi as faking Multiple Personality Disorder, among other accomplishments. We also discussed Dr. Hal Puthoff and his early interest in Emenegger’s UFO film. He described a yoga demonstration staged for Carol Burnett and experiments in possible mental teleportation of objects in secret experiments in China. We had segment on reincarnation research, and talked about many, many other aspects of Bob’s amazing life before playing some music he wrote for the early 1970s kid TV show Lance Link, Secret Chimp. There is far, far more to these almost four hours than I can describe here. We’d like to read your comments.

(For your reference, there is a short tone marking the space between the segments.)

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