Chris O’Brien: Cattle Mutilations Make No Sense At All

Whatever your opinion is of unexplained animal mutilations in general and the work of Chris O’Brien in particular, his newest book Stalking The Herd is perhaps either the first or last you will need to read on the subject. In my opinion, it is exhaustive and well-balanced, afraid of neither the mundane or the truly bizarre.

We discussed the history of cows and their relationship to humans. Chris mentioned the fact that countries with less consumption of beef have no record of cattle mutilations, even if they have a thriving beef industry. He also elaborated on the fact that many of the cases of unsolved animal deaths have historically seemed to cluster downwind from facilities that process and use uranium. These are only a couple of the subjects that came up during the wide-ranging conversation.

With all this information, it is surprising that Chris has come to the conclusion that so far there is no one theory that seems to fit the mystery.

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15 Responses to Chris O’Brien: Cattle Mutilations Make No Sense At All

  1. Phil From Louisiana says:

    Just a quick note (since my emails seem to be screwed up) Sunday night there was no live feed available from here. I think that was some other show than this one; I _think_ I listened to parts of this one when it was on the livestream.

    • Greg says:

      The stream was breaking up. Sorry. It should be OK this week, but I have no guest as of yet. Recorded show will be posted as soon as I can.

  2. John Randall says:

    Really enjoyed the discussion. Wish I had more to add… 🙂

  3. Phil From Louisiana says:

    Is the show on now (Sunday Jun 1) a replay of the one with Aaron Gulyas?

    Re: the ancient aliens thing and related things, at the time it came up I was reading the following on Jason Colavito’s Blog:

    Also, a little perspective helps. I don’t really know how much larger the Grand Canal in China is than the pyramids, but a while back I did a back-of-the-envelope calculation that during a five year period in the reign of the Emperor Wei of the Sui Dynasty, the labor used to build the segments built then represented about twenty times the man hours used to build the pyramids.

    Finally, Re: Boxcar Willie, I’m guessing y’all may not be prepared for the truth about Foster Brooks and Nawab Ackbar Bugti.

    Take Care, and Good Night.

    • Greg says:


      The show tonight (6/1) is a repeat, yes. There was apparently a problem with the feed last week and most of the show did not go out live. Looks like you heard a bit of last weeks show too, from your comments at the time.

      I remain of the belief that humans did indeed build all of the ancient earthworks and monuments by themselves, but that we probably do not fully know about human history before any extant written records. It is more likely to me that people were more advanced than we have been able to determine than the possibility that aliens helped us. Other evidence may change my mind.

  4. Phil From Louisiana says:

    Oh, and the feed is still working, as of 12:01 AM CST.

  5. Indridi I. Kaldtsen says:

    Great interview with Chris.

    I had one moment where I felt I knew better than Chris, when talk came up of all the many “species” of cow arising from a single herd of aurochs provisionally located in N. Iran or Iraq 10,000 years ago.

    Most of the modern types of cows are breeds rather than species. In the plant world this would be called cultivars, members of the same species but specifically bred for different qualities.

    It seems likely, and others who know more than I have said this as well, that as cattle spread over Eurasia and Africa, the domesticates ran into and mated with wild aurochs, as the mood struck them. This means the diversity of modern cattle is not limited to the original herd in Northern Iraq 10,000 years ago. “The last auroch” in the royal forest in Poland in the 17th century likely wasn’t the last wild European cow, but even so, the story tends to bolster the idea that aurochs continued to make genetic inputs into the domesticated cattle herds until recently. Someone was even talking about resurrecting the European aurochs by breeding for traits using modern cattle in Poland.

    I’m not sure about this, but it seems like I’ve heard about cattle breeding with buffalo as well. There is still some diversity in the American and European buffalo herds, and this might be important later in cattle breeding if it is true that the wild auroch inputs have now stopped.

    Great show and I hope to have the opportunity to read the book someday.

  6. Steve Ray says:

    Perhaps the upstream/upwind mutilations were control specimens.

  7. Red Pill Junkie says:

    Occam’s razor might be helpful to find solutions to simple mysteries, like physical problems or most natural phenomena, but its dull blade breaks apart when trying to understand complex situations, like human relationships for example.

    Try to invoke Occam’s razor in an attempt to explain the development of World War II. You’d be laughed out of History class! 😉

    Anyway, thanks to Greg & Chris for a very enjoyable discussion –and for inspiring the title of a future post: UFO Porn vs Certainty Fetishism 😛

    • Greg says:

      I think the Occam’s Razor argument is very limiting and may often be the refuge of lazy or fundamentalist thinking.

      Did you write the “UFO Porn vs. Certainty Fetishism” piece yet? If you don’t, I will!

  8. Phil From Louisiana says:

    For lack of a better place to report: on the June 15 show, the feed cut off for the last fifteen minutes of the show.

    (Hopefully this wasn’t the part where Walter was revealing the identity of the killer or anything).

  9. Michael says:

    Just discovered this site by accident, brilliant stuff. Excellent interview with Chris, he does interview well. I do have one issue though. I’ve spent the past two hours trying to find that Sitar version of “Yummy Yummy Yummy”, you’ve got to help me!

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